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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/1/2009 1:25:06 PM   
kingdomkey101


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Status: offline 		I have only seen the opening however I have to say that these subs look like they are far worse then even fan sub quality. I mean atleast the opening music is subbed and there are not as many errors (for what I have heard). 

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/1/2009 1:34:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it's better than fansubs in one area. At least they're not bright yellow or some other illegible color like most of the fansubs I've run across. >_<

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/2/2009 9:23:11 PM   
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Silphymon's debut episode was very eye-opening because it made me realize something that had surprisingly gone over my head: Hikari has done next to nothing this entire series. Like, much less than even Iori. I was actually surprised when I heard her talk. For such an important character, it never really occured to me how little Hikari and Tailmon do in this series until I saw this episode. This is the first and only significant thing she's done aside from episode 13 so far. I guess the dub made me think she had done more with all of her added dialogue, but I never noticed it until just now.

I mean, first they neglect her almost entirely, and then they add insult to injury by not even resolving her character arc by the end of the series (Dark Ocean, remember Toei?!). It's almost mean.

I'm now in the Holy Stones arc, a storyline that could have easily been resolved in two or three episodes, but as typical of Toei, we have to watch every individual attempt to save each specific stone and witness our heroes predictably fail each time for the next six or so episodes. Eh, at least we get HolyAngemon, as anticlimactic as his fight was...

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/2/2009 9:26:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I'm up to episode 11, forgot to post about last night. Not much else to rant about, more good character development, some drama and digivolving. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the arc. I don't think I saw all off 02, I saw all of 01 (the fake batman arc, the elvis monkey arc, the gay vampire who for some reason wears a mask arc and my favorite, the dark masters arc..), but I don't recall all the arcs in 02. I think I missed most of the ethnic sterotype arc (world arc) and never saw the ending. I guess I'll finally get a chance to see it now 

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/2/2009 11:03:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		dats did not use yellow and I perfectly readable, and also it not have as many obvious typos and I am fairly sure it was not mistranslated

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/2/2009 11:56:54 PM   
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I have only seen the opening however I have to say that these subs look like they are far worse then even fan sub quality. I mean atleast the opening music is subbed and there are not as many errors (for what I have heard). 

Yeah, there were a lot of complaints about the subs when they were on Direct2Drive, apparently some Hong Kong or Philippines network had provided them...

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/4/2009 12:01:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Took a break from watching the series to watch the Japanese version of "Our War Game" for about the billionth time. Still my favorite Digimon production ever. It's got absolutely beautiful animation, a perfect mix of humor and drama, a great plot, and background music that is not only my favorite Digimon musical score ever, but one of my favorite movie soundtracks of all time, animated or otherwise. I still get chills whenever Omegamon is formed.

If I had to choose one thing from Digimon to get released uncut and unedited in America, this would be it, hands down. I love this movie to death.

Oh wait, I gotta relate this to Adventure 02 somehow. Uh... it introduces Miyako. There. :P

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/4/2009 12:07:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Our War Game? What was that exactly, a 01 movie? Or something else entirely? I think only one of the movies was released here (the movie I own, generically titled "Digimon the movie")..

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/4/2009 12:21:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Saban took the first three Digimon films, cut them down, and edited them together to make Digimon: The Movie. Our War Game was used as the middle segment of that movie. It's the one where Taichi/Tai and Koushiro/Izzy fight Diablomon/Diaboromon on the internet.

And the other movies were dubbed, just not released. They air on ToonDisney sometimes.

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/4/2009 4:11:55 AM   
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Series - Movie - US Title
Digimon Adventure - Digimon Adventure: The Movie - Digimon: Digital Monsters: The Movie (Part 1)
Digimon Adventure - Our War Game - Digimon: Digital Monsters: The Movie (Part 2)
Digimon Adventure 02 - Hurricane Touchdown - Digimon: Digital Monsters: The Movie (Part 3)
Digimon Adventure 02 - Revenge of Diablomon - Revenge of Diaboromon
Digimon Tamers - Battle of Adventurers - Same
Digimon Tamers - Runaway Trailmon - Runaway Trailmon
Digimon Frontier - Island of Lost Digimon - Same
Digimon Savers - Ultimate Power! Activate Burst Mode - N/A
Standalone - Digital Monsters: X-Evolution - N/A

Of anything that I want brought over here, X-Evolution is at the top of the list. It was the first thing for Digimon I ever saw subbed, and it's just plain awesome. It's a great movie on it's own, doesn't even need the Digimon name to make it cool. And with CG by Imagi, you know it looks good too.

Back on topic, I made it through episode 12 before getting caught up in other things. I know the next episode is the dreaded Dark Ocean one. Does that make ANY more sense in the original? I have a feeling it's still left unresolved, but is there anything in the original to salvage this story?

EDIT
Finally remembered that I'd been corrected on one of the titles, fixed now. ^^;

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/4/2009 6:32:24 AM   
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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/4/2009 1:02:52 PM   
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Back on topic, I made it through episode 12 before getting caught up in other things. I know the next episode is the dreaded Dark Ocean one. Does that make ANY more sense in the original? I have a feeling it's still left unresolved, but is there anything in the original to salvage this story?

I think it makes a tad more sense because they actually explain how Takeru, Patamon, and Tailmon get to the false world instead of having Gatomon make a "nine lives" joke, and of course, the explanation of what these monsters actually want Hikari for is in its full unchanged glory, so yeah, it makes more sense.

Regardless, it was never resolved in either language because Dagomon, despite his big buildup as the returning villain in this episode, is never seen again.

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/4/2009 11:07:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Episode 13 "WTF?!" This episode is a ****ing bizarre episode! What does any of this black and white crap have to do with anything? Is this even a Digimon episode or did I just somehow watch a random Paranoia agent episode by mistake? Crazy, I think I could have skipped this episode and still been ok, it doesn't help that I've had like.....5 beers either though.  

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/5/2009 12:58:45 AM   
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Rewatching all of this, I really like the buildup they gave Takeru and Iori's Jogress Evolution. It wasn't nearly as well done as HolyAngemon's buildup in Adventure 01, but it proves Toei's writers can still tease the hell out of the audience. I have no idea why, but one of the reasons I love Digimon so much, and probably one of the main reasons I like Takeru, is because of the series' ability to completely screw with the audience in the best possible way. It just teases you and teases you and teases you until you're ready to scream at the television, and then BAM: it delivers in spades. That's certainly how well it was handled in Adventure 01 with HolyAngemon, and I think they pulled it off nicely with Shakkoumon in this series, even if it didn't have quite as much of a payoff.

I will admit it irks me that despite the nice buildup, you just don't feel like they're ready to do it. Takeru and Iori just randomly decide at the end of the episode "k, wrr doin this nowz" and then just do it. No huge display of emotion, no giant revelation, nothing. They just do it. It's a bit of a letdown. It also begs the question of "if they could just do it, why didn't they do it three episodes ago?"

Getting off the evolution for a second, I forgot how annoying Iori is with his intense curiosity over Takeru. His constant "why does Takeru hate the darkness so much?" gets old REALLY fast, and I don't see how the writers expected Iori to appeal to viewers when he's taking all of this so darn seriously. I mean, it's not that hard to just realize that people don't have to like certain things and that Takeru is allowed to not like the freaking forces of evil if he doesn't want to. How is that hard, Iori? What part are you missing here? What's with all the pointless angst over something so simple?

Overall, they average out to be a good few episodes, mostly for the buildup to Shakkoumon and the Takeru/Patamon scenes. Though when it comes to buildup, you just can't beat good ol' Adventure 01 HolyAngemon.

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/6/2009 11:57:58 PM   
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Back on topic, I made it through episode 12 before getting caught up in other things. I know the next episode is the dreaded Dark Ocean one. Does that make ANY more sense in the original? I have a feeling it's still left unresolved, but is there anything in the original to salvage this story?

I think it makes a tad more sense because they actually explain how Takeru, Patamon, and Tailmon get to the false world instead of having Gatomon make a "nine lives" joke, and of course, the explanation of what these monsters actually want Hikari for is in its full unchanged glory, so yeah, it makes more sense.

Regardless, it was never resolved in either language because Dagomon, despite his big buildup as the returning villain in this episode, is never seen again.


From what I remember, the Dark Ocean stuff was introduced by Konaka (of Lain fame) - hence the Lovecraft references. I think, for whatever reason, he didn't work on enough episodes to fully develop the story.


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The original title was still Locomon, not Trailmon (which were introduced in Frontier).

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/17/2009 6:39:19 PM   
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But ... I still am hoping this streaming means there could be a DVD in the future - with better subs.  Seems to be successful enough.

Also, unlike before in the dub I really feel for Worm mon.  I know they toned it down in the dub, but the voice they gave him - so meek and sad - make me understand a bit more.  Poor thing's abused to death, and still loves the Kaiser.

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/18/2009 9:21:49 PM   
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Also, unlike before in the dub I really feel for Worm mon.  I know they toned it down in the dub, but the voice they gave him - so meek and sad - make me understand a bit more.  Poor thing's abused to death, and still loves the Kaiser.

That was probably my biggest shock once I watched the Japanese version of that arc. I was surprised how much I cared about Wormmon. I don't think I felt sorry for him at all in the dub, and if I did, it probably wasn't until he died in Ken's arms. I didn't feel too bad for Ken this time around, but that was likely because I've seen the series already and Derek Stephen Prince did a pretty fine job in Ken's emotional scenes when the script he was given didn't resort to jokes. He was definitely better handled than Wormmon in the dub, but that's not saying much.

I've been slacking off and haven't watched anything past Shakkoumon's debut. I need to get back into routine.

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/18/2009 9:38:52 PM   
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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/25/2009 9:37:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kinda late to the discussion here, but I started (re)watching this show back when it started streaming over on Crunchyroll, but I gave up on it. But now that FUNi has put it back, I'm back to watching it again.

Now that I'm a bit older I can definitely see the lower budget that this series had. The repeated frames stick out like a sore thumb and the transformation scenes do get on my nerves after a while, but I endure it all for the sake of nostalgia. It's still pretty good for a show aimed at children.

Question not directly related to 02: was this movie ever released in the U.S.? I think I've seen it before. It seems really, really familiar. I think that it might have been part of the first Digimon movie released over here? Am I right?

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RE: Digimon Adventure 02 Discussion Thread - 5/25/2009 9:50:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was released as act two of Digimon: The Movie, the hackjob dub that Frankensteined the first three feature films into one movie. It also happens to be my favorite Digimon production ever.

The low budget was obvious to me when I watched the show as a child, but now it annoys me. The use of nothing but stock attack sequence footage makes for downright boring fight scenes, and there's hardly any animation at all in some episodes. I remember a few episodes where, aside from the repeated footage like the evolutions and the attacks, there was almost no actual animation at all. It was just mostly still images with the mouths moving for 20 minutes. It's one of the laziest cartoons I've ever seen.

In fact, my jaw dropped when I first saw the movies because the animation was beautiful. There wasn't one single repeated frame and everything was so fluid. I almost started to wonder if it was the same franchise.

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